response to Dima on the pogrom by extremist Jews in East Jerusalem
Dima wrote:
Walter,
Your choice of words is sad. A group of people who want to get revenge for the slaughter of students in a neighborhood that was jubilant over the event is perhaps not just but I wouldn't really call it a pogrom.
You must also agree with the use of the word Holocaust to describe the unfortunate killing of 20-50 civilians who were caught in the line of fire between IDF and terrorists who seek to inflict damage on civilians.
-Dima
So, Dima, when Russian mobs smashed up Jewish houses (and much worse) in Czarist time, you call it a "pogrom" but when Jewish mobs do the same to Palestinians, you find it "sad" that I use the same word to describe it? What other word to use to describe the act of an out of control mob that attacks a town and smashes, burns and loots?
Lets look at the definition:
[Origin: 1880–85; (< Yiddish) < Russ pogróm lit., destruction, devastation (of a town, country, etc., as in war), n. deriv. of pogromít’, equiv. to po- perfective prefix + gromít’ to destroy, devastate, deriv. of grom thunder]
—Synonyms slaughter, butchery.
Well, that is what occured when goyische mobs smashed up Jewish towns and shtetls while the police looked the other way and that is what happened when the Jewish mob smashed up the Arab neighborhood of Jabal Mukhabar while the police looked the other way. Thankfully, it didnt get to the level of "slaughter and butchery" but that is likely because the residents of the neighborhood hid in their houses, knowing they would have been risking their very lives confronting a hateful mob that was heavily armed.
Dima, It is absolutely inadmissable by any standard of Jewish morality to claim that it is OK for Jews to smash up the homes and property of innocent non-Jews because the perpetrator of the massacre at Mercaz Harav happened to have lived in the neighborhood. And of course, I mourn deeply for the Israelis killed by rocket fire in Sderot and in the north of the country in 2006. I have loved ones who live in a kibbutz which was shelled during that war. But I also mourn for the larger number of Palestinian civilians killed in the IDF military response to the rocket fire. Each human life is precious, Jewish and Palestinian, alike.
Walter

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Walter,
My contention with your posting is not your condemnation of the acts of this group. It is about your misuse of the word "pogrom".
If pogrom means slaughter or butchery, then why didn't you use one of those words?
Pogrom is used precisely to describe the systemic killing of Jews in eastern europe that is an act of antisemitism, not revenge.
Furthermore that fact that you admit it did not get to the level of "slaughter and butchery" underscores your incorrect use of the word. You did not say 'potential pogrom' --- you said "Pogrom in Jabal Mukhbar".
Now why would you call a posting a "pogrom" when it did not happen?
I understand you want to illustrate to Jews that we should abhor acts against others that were done upon us. But in the process you have aided the terrorists, antisemites and holocaust deniers in watering down the history of continued violence and hatred against Jews.
By seeking to grab attention you compromised your authenticity to the english language and jewish history.
A final thought ... if what happened was a "pogrom" then what would you call it if bands of marauding Jews actually went to kill and raze Arab villages? Would that be a "Super Duper Pogrom"
If you think it is ok to take poetic license to stretch the meaning of this word, then perhaps you would also support wearing swastikas because they look pretty.
-Dima
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